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Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:59 am
by Mike718NY
A customer with an "AOL" email address complained that they never received
an email receipt.

I tested with 2 AOL email addresses and one worked but
the other one didn't ???
(aside from not getting an email after placing the order,
emails sent from the admin also didn't work).

Has anyone else experienced this? If you have an AOL account(s), I
would test this out for yourself.

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:56 pm
by AbleMods
Mike718NY wrote:A customer with an "AOL" email address complained that they never received
an email receipt.

I tested with 2 AOL email addresses and one worked but
the other one didn't ???
(aside from not getting an email after placing the order,
emails sent from the admin also didn't work).

Has anyone else experienced this? If you have an AOL account(s), I
would test this out for yourself.
Happens all the time.

AOL has probably the most sophisticated (and costly) anti-spam filtering systems in the world. Their massive userbase gets swarmed with junk mail, so their rules are far more strict than most other places.

My understanding thus far is there are at least two types of AOL blocks:
1. Temporary 24-hour block based on AOL user response. If an AOL user marks an email as "junk", the sending IP and domain get flagged. Too many marks in a specific (and undisclosed) period of time and AOL will temporarily ban your mail server IP and the Reverse DNS host name for that IP. Ban usually lasts 24 hours from the last AOL user mark.

2. Black list. This one takes 3-5 days to get off once you are on it. Usually is the result of a zombie or bot program infecting one of your PCs and sending millions of emails to AOL as fast as your bandwidth can handle. If you send a significant amount of email to AOL and all of it has the same similarities, you risk getting blacklisted.

When you use a shared hosting provider email server to send your emails, the problem gets worse. AOL sees the email from many different companies all originating from the same mail server IP. So the "problem child" might not even be you but rather another customer at the ISP. Narrowing this down AND getting the ISP to make the effort of review and enforcement is both time-consuming and difficult.

The best (and most costly) solution to large volume email is keeping your store mail traffic on a separate email domain and mail server IP from your regular office email domain and traffic. That way, if AOL (or anyone else for that matter) blocks the store mail, you can at least still continue doing business with your office email accounts.

I have one client I configured with dual internet connections from completely separate ISPs. This gave them the ability to manage completely separate internet email identities and thus allow corporate email communication to continue should the store email server get blacklisted.

Finally, AOL email can be slow. I've seen 8-hour delays when sending simple messages.

In the end, simple is better. The more graphics and HTML linking you add, the more likely a positive spam score. Don't use alot of sales pitches or common/generic sales language in your text - spam filters will most certainly score those higher. Inform the recipient and stop.

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:15 am
by Mike718NY
finally got around to fixing this, . . thanks Joe for that explanation.
I contacted my hoster and they said this:

"This is because AOL requires each sending IP address to have a reverse DNS record. When sending an email from your script and using "localhost" as your mailserver host name, email will be sent from the web server's default SMTP server which doesn't have a rDNS record. You are requested instead to send email through our regular email server by specifying mail.yourdomain.com as your mailserver hostname. You will need to perform SMTP authentication to send email via the regular mailserver and hence you must enter the username and password for the email address from which the emails would be sent."

I did what he said and it works now.

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:37 pm
by jmestep
Yes, I just found that out from Drundo also. They had orginally told me to use localhost. It helped us also. Even with comcast.

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:50 pm
by AbleMods
Reverse DNS is a huge pain. Even after all these years, I still run into ISP support people who don't understand it. It's not something new - it's just becoming far more prevelant as a tool for reducing incoming spam traffic.

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:24 am
by meer2005
In addition to the reverse lookup, I think we also had to change /add the SPF record to finally get aol to work.

I think this is the wizard I used: http://old.openspf.org/index.html

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:16 am
by jmestep
Mike718NY: Drundo had done the SPF for me earlier. If you haven't done it, they can do it for you.

Re: Email to "AOL" email addresses not always working

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:10 pm
by kastnerd
Anyone use sender ID?